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Doug Lichtman

Neat post. I always wondered about the real story behind the George Harrison dispute. After all, even if George did not recognize that he was copying someone else's hit, do we really think that the similarity escaped Paul McCartney's notice? (George walks in, starts humming the tune, and Paul doesn't stop him and say, "Whoa, George, are you kidding me?"). As you say, all copying is shallow; so what happened here?

Michael Risch

Ah, but that's the cost of doing a solo album - Paul McCartney wasn't around. Ringo Starr and Eric Clapton have no excuse, though, as they were on the album. :)

http://web.mit.edu/scholvin/www/harrison/c301.htm

Randy Picker

But Ringo's defense has to be just that--he was Ringo after all--but Clapton is God, so it is hard to imagine his defense.

http://www.ericclaptonfaq.com/biography-ecs-life-career/clapton-is-god-graffiti-nickname.html

Bruce

And Phil Spector, but he's got bigger things to worry about now than copyright infringement.

According to this site, the Chiffons were one of the opening acts for the Beatles in their first U.S. concert:

http://www.history-of-rock.com/chiffons.htm

I have no idea if the site is reliable. It also features the tidbit that in 1975 the Chiffons recorded their own version of "My Sweet Lord."

Eh Nonymous

Nice post, Randy. Echoed a conclusion I'd come to. But you put it much nicer, of course. And since you had no access to my unfixed thoughts, it's neither plagiarism nor copyright violation, but mere concordance.

Guest

Interesting post, but the "remix culture" trope is inapt. Given how little is known about this young woman and the culture she actually comes from, if you're going to generalize, the "went to Harvard as a teenager, cracked under the unbelievable pressure to excel" trope probably fits better.

slevmore

Copying may be shallow, but the shallowness raises as many puzzles as it solves. Do we predict that Little Brown will seek (or be able) to retrieve its $500,000 from Ms. Viswanathan? Do we think publishers have explicit clauses in their contracts with authors about what happens if there is copying? Perhaps publishers and agents do not bother to look for copying because they are so sure that authors will be deterred by the inevitable discoveries by readers. But then that assumes that the copying is not subconscious.
There is also shallow copying that produces no obvious economic recovery. JFK's inaugural address "ask not what your country can do for you . . " boosted the speaker's reputation but almost surely came from his pretty famous speechwriter and in turn from Oliver Wendell Holmes or Harding or another earlier source. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:John_F.Kennedy And yet, however well known the fact of this copying, there is something about the presentation or about the lag before listeners and readers learn that the superb line was not original, that protects the reputation against devaluation. The same for George Harrison perhaps - except that a suit for the economic gain is there easier.

Zoran

"The remix culture—take pieces from many sources and recombine them in a new work—has come to text."

That's right, and it did so some 50 years ago with William Burroughs. "The Third Mind", a book he wrote together with a painter Brion Gysin, explains cut-up method, a collage technique applied to writing, into some detail. Inevitably, they touch upon the copyright issue. Burroughs himself had said more than once that he took large portions of other people's work, and integrated it into his own writings. I believe he mentioned Samuel Beckett once specifically, but I'm not 100% sure about this.

Gus

Prof. Picker-

I'm still not quite sure what I want to do with this idea. It certainly is a neat one, and could have some potentially powerful consequences to infringement analysis. Think, for instance, along the lines of my proposed antitrust-like infringement analysis: under the existing per se-like rule, we would say that there is infringement (unless the person doing the copying were important like Harrison); under a more rule of reason-like approach we would not.

But my immediate interest isn't how this idea affects our understanding of infringement. Rather, I want to understand some of the limits to the idea. With enough eyes, all bugs are shallow. Bugs are bad, so more eyes are good, this element of the open source argument goes, so opening up the source code is good. In the same class that we looked at Kirstie's reputation markets post, we also looked at Aaron's post (http://picker.typepad.com/picker_seminar/2006/05/briggsopenbookm.html ) about limits to the application of the open source movement in the non-software context. Copying is shallow, I would suggest, because most copies are made to be given to a consumptive audience--to the people with the eyesballs. That is, the statement is a reason for open source software, but it is a fact of copyrighted works.

But as facts go, this one has limited application. In Viswanathan's case it is pretty easy to apply, because she was passing off another person's work as her own (inentionally or not). But it doesn't really apply to wholesale piracy--Penguin, for instance, selling copies of something published by Basic Books--unless those copies are of inferior quality. And in some contexts--software piracy, for instance--the eyeballs to which the copying might be shallow are the same ones doing the copying.

In some cases the eyeballs part of the equation fails. For instance, where the copied element is invisible to the consumer (semiconductor design, perhaps), or where the original source of the copied element isn't well known (a big city musician who is "inspired by" small-town and regional music that he travels the globe to find).

And in other cases the eyeballs simply don't care. For instance, knock-off clothing designs and remixed music. In both cases there is no reputational harm to the copier and there is harm to the sources (at least they argue that there is).

My point here is that the "all bugs are shallow" and "all copying is shallow" ideas have very different motivations, and from that we need to recognize their respective limitations. The "bugs" idea is meant to argue for opening up code; the "copying" idea only can apply to works that are already open, and then only sometimes.

--Gus

Laura Heymann

One also wonders if ventures like Google Book Search will make copying ever more shallow. Once we have a database of all the world's books, can a "compare" application be far behind?

Eric Goldman

Laura, this "compare" function already exists--it's called Turnitin.com. But I've never been clear that their database complies with copyright law any better than Google Book Search does. Eric.

Daniel Schwei

http://www.thewebshite.net/nickelback.htm

Reading the George Harrison story, I couldn't help but post this link. A humorous example of 'shallow' musical copying, except in this case by the same band.

Erik

In defense of Nickelback, the "soft verse/loud (distorted) chorus" pattern is common among post-grunge bands, ever since it was proven to be popular by grunge bands like Nirvana and Alice in Chains. Nickelback has other songs that deviate from this cliche method, but many of them are not popular among the masses for that very reason.

Music Critic

There is no defense for Nickelback.

LawStudent2187

I encourage anyone who's studied music to compare the Chiffons/Harrison songs. I think you'll be struck by their startling dissimilarities. This case stinks as much as the OJ trial.

ringo spectorrison

I have studied music, I have listened to both songs a lot, and the only differences I hear are A. the arrangement, and B. the diminished chord Harrison uses. Admittedly the chord progression is pretty generic (ii/V/ii/V, I/vii/I/vii) but the parts are deployed in the same way and the melodic phrases are pretty much identical. The same descending three-note phrase (he's so fine) is used for "my sweet lord" - they are completely interchangeable, and likewise the ascending-to-the-tonic phrase has the same rhythm and the same notes in both songs.

Can you describe the dissimilarities in detail?

Jonathan

What about when Mariah Carey did the Jackson 5's "I'll Be There"? There was a part when Trey Lorenz did the cool solo part using the same key as Michael Jackson had done so many years ago. Was that copyright infringement?

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