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Michael Risch

It seems like the best answer depends on the market involved (which is why these issues seem so difficult).

For example, if reverse engineering is allowed, how much will the cost of the software go up for users that pay for it? What will that do to the "illegitimate copy" market?

More important, does copy control really have that much to do with it in reality? If a competitive environment came along that included copy control, would that affect the price of its offline software? That's a question that would require some good data on different online gaming systems and pricing associated with them and their offline components.

I would consider a fourth option (or maybe this is a subset of your third): Allow entrants to create competitive gaming servers, but force them to include offline authentication (at zero price) at Blizzard's request. Blizzard cannot claim loss of control, and competition is free among online systems. It wouldn't surprise me if we started seeing large product purchase discounts in exchange for longer term service agreements, similar to those you see with computer purchases.

Of course, this doesn't consider the widespread effect of a rule that bars "no reverse engineering" agreements.

Tim Lee

"The stronger the ties between the physical games and the environment the more that Blizzard can choose a sensible mix of prices between the games and the environment. If there is simply free entry in the online environment market, Blizzard will have to charge a relatively high price for the freestanding games."

I'm pretty sure the price of Battle.net access was zero...

Randy Picker

Advertising embedded in the online environment? The court of appeals opinion makes an obscure reference to this--at least to me--seemingly suggesting that the official version contained embedded advertising--another way of charging--while the unofficial version might have had none or different advertising. Yes? No?

Tim Lee

That's a good point. Battle.net does display advertising. I would be surprised if the ads generated very much revenue compared with game sales, but it's probably does increase the profitability of the game.

-dsr-

There's an important point that you are missing: first amendment issues.

Software is speech. If BLizzard wants to make its games networkable, it has to accept the possibility that someone will listen to the packets being emitted (listen to their speech) and possibly talk back to them. They can make this more or less difficult -- by talking in a language no one else knows (an undocumented protocol) or by speaking in code (using strong encryption). Nevertheless, a person who is restricted from listening and talking to the software that he has legitimately installed on his computer has lost his voice.

Bruce

"As usual, I will come out on the side of evil...." Randy, you're a regular manservant Hecubus. (Reference explained here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kids_in_the_Hall#The_Pit_of_Ultimate_Darkness_.28Simon_and_Hecubus.29 )

Your third choice (and Michael Risch's fourth choice) sounds like the content protection model used for DVDs and other audiovisual media -- the content protection technology is licensed by some entity to third-party device makers (including software makers) for some sort of fee. There was a lot of debate between Philips and the "4C" and "5C" companies during the Broadcast Flag technology certification proceedings over exactly what those fees should be and how they should be determined -- but even if they are truly priced "at cost," cost for large corporations like Sony and Matsushita is *way* beyond the means of your average geeky programmer/online wargamer designing his or her own matchmaking service. I think the fees tend to run in the thousands of dollars, minimum. Licensing a content protection technology is going to be difficult or impossible for someone attempting to build their own matchmaking service at home, that operates at no charge to users.

I tend to side with "evil" myself on these issues, so I don't think that ends the discussion, but it is further evidence that the fuzzy lines between geeky consumers, "pro-ams," small businesses, and large businesses are really gumming up the works and making these problems incredibly difficult. The third option works well for handling the large players, but if you believe that hobbyists, or "tinkerers" as Ed Felten would call them, should have a role to play in these markets (essentially by disrupting them free of charge to the end user), both the first option and the third option are problematic. The difficulty is that hobbyists now in many ways have the disruptive impact that previously only large for-profit companies could have had.

Doug Lay

Bruce:

Thanks for recognizing that geeky tinkerers exist, and MAY a role to play in tech markets. That's more than I've seen out of Randy.

Ian

Isn't there another point we are missing. Namely, Battle.net has the right incentives to get the question of having multiple competing online gaming sites correct. If they believe that the value of the game increases by having competing online venues then maybe they would purchase the competing environment or simply allow it to exist. However, if they find that splitting users among multiple sites drives down the value to all users of having a single point of online entertainment they can shut down access to the alternative online environments. Of course, either option could be correct, but shouldn't we believe that Battle.net is more likely to get the question answered correctly and thus we should defer to their choice. While anyone can second guess, as a policy matter, it seems allowing the copyright holder to choose is best.

Zvi Rosen

Two notes from someone who followed these events fairly closely:

1. The bnetd team offered to have their software authenticate the player's software ID, thus mooting the issue of Battle.net being copy protection software (bnetd being the name of the third-party software at issue). I don't beleive the 8th Cir. mentioned this fact in their opinion, but I'm pretty sure it was in the briefs. Such a solution might seem strange, but it is in fact quite succesful in real life (See E.G. Return to Castle Wolfenstein multiplayer). It was this fact that led many to beleive that the issue in this case had nothing to do with the economic analysis given here, and everything to do with retaining control over multiplayer usage of the games.

2. It is asserted that " If there is simply free entry in the online environment market, Blizzard will have to charge a relatively high price for the freestanding games." Accepting the proposition that current and past game prices have not been relatively high, this proposition is not borne out by the facts. Nearly all games save for massively multiplayer ones offer free online play, even those games which are designed primarily for online play (See E.G. Unreal Tournament, Quake III Arena).

I'd strongly urge anyone seriously interested in the case to read the case documents on the EFF's website in order to get a fuller picture of the facts and arguments in this case.

Gus

Ian brings up a good point--but as I remember the facts of the case (perhaps Zvi can confirm?) it ends up cutting the other way. If memory serves, the (purported) reason that Jung et al created their own version of the battle.net server was that the official server was having stability issues. It was frequenty inaccessible, so some users decided to bypass the problem so that they could use the program as it was meant to be used.

I'm not quite sure what to do with this point--should we decide whether to allow users to bypass access controls based upon whether they are effective period, effective as implemented, or implemented competently regardless of whether they are effective?

--Gus

Zvi Rosen

Gus is exactly right...they created it because the Battle.net servers couldn't handle the traffic load when the service was rolled out. However, this wasn't the only reason (somewhere in the supporting docs seven reasons are given, none having anything to do with piracy). I'll try to post it tonight.

Ian

Gus and Zvi,

I think the thrust of my argument has been missed. Namely, the particular factual circumstance of the case is meaningless. We have to answer the question without our bias of whether we believe that the company acted rationally. Once we accept that Battle.net (or the originating company) is most likely to get the question right (due to a review of the incentives of the different parties involved) as a policy matter (or as a matter of law) we defer to the party with the best incentives. Basically, I think this should be a question of law and not of fact. The facts shouldn't matter.

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Patrice Villeneuve

Tim said:
"If BLizzard wants to make its games networkable, it has to accept the possibility that someone will listen to the packets being emitted (listen to their speech) and possibly talk back to them."

by "has to accept", do you mean that by law, they can't forbid it? This raise an issue to me. When someone use a program to talk back to the server, Blizzard BAN de Cd key and Close the used account (losing all active character). is there any pratical law that could prevent them to act like that ? If someone using a pirated copy of Windows has his disk formated when logging into windows update, Microsoft would probably be sued. What make it different for Blizzard ? last month they closed 30 000 account and ban cd key for the *talk back* program used. can you make reference to any law that allow (or shouldn't allow) them to act like that ?

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