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Erasmussimo

You write:

"I don't think there is one member of Congress who has said General Petraeus lied to either the House or the Senate."

How about the Speaker of the House? In her blog, Ms. Pelosi contrasts statements made by Mr. Petraeus with objectively established facts. She doesn't actually call Mr. Petraeus a liar; she merely demonstrates that his testimony is contradicted by many other sources.

Source: http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=736

You write, "Your thoughts on the matter are on the fringe of lunacy."

The National Security Network had a recent article entitled "Is General Petraeus's Data Misleading the American People?" and proceeds to present a great deal of information suggesting that he has in fact misled the American people.

Source: http://www.nsnetwork.org/node/195


Mr. Petraeus presented a graph showing that Iraqi civilian deaths had declined from a high of about 3000/month in December 2006 to about 1600/month in August 2007. But here's what other sources say:

"Figures from Iraqi government ministries point to far higher casualty numbers and show that this year, an average of 1,724 civilians a month have died in sectarian attacks, bombings and other war-related violence.

In February, the civilian death toll was 1,646. Last month, it was 1,773, according to numbers from officials in the ministries of Defense, Interior and Health, who cite morgue, hospital and police reports. It was the second straight month that casualties have increased since the security plan began."

Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-surge4sep04,0,2280359,full.story?coll=la-home-center

So Mr. Petraeus' figures are contradicted by the figures from the Iraqi government. And don't start with this crap about the Iraqi government being a bunch of "loony liberals" -- they WANT the US military to remain Iraq and have every incentive to support Mr. Petraeus.

And by the way, the US military no longer includes car bombing deaths in its count of civilian casualties:

"Car bombs and other explosive devices have killed thousands of Iraqis in the past three years, but the administration doesn't include them in the casualty counts it has been citing as evidence that the surge of additional U.S. forces is beginning to defuse tensions between Shiite and Sunni Muslims.

President Bush explained why in a television interview on Tuesday. "If the standard of success is no car bombings or suicide bombings, we have just handed those who commit suicide bombings a huge victory," he told TV interviewer Charlie Rose."

Source: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/nancy_youssef/story/16047.html

And here's what the Associate Press had to say on August 25th:

"This year’s U.S. troop buildup has succeeded in bringing violence in Baghdad down from peak levels, but the death toll from sectarian attacks around the country is running nearly double the pace from a year ago."

Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20440397/

And then there's the Washington Post story I cited earlier, with the headline "Experts Doubt Drop In Violence in Iraq
Military Statistics Called Into Question"

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/05/AR2007090502466_pf.html

And while we're at it, let's not forget that charges of deliberate under-reporting of civilian casualties are nothing new:

"The Bush administration routinely has underreported the level of violence in Iraq in order to disguise its policy failings, the Iraq Study Group report said Wednesday."

Source: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/reports/intelligence/story/15153.html

And here's some material from the Christian Science Monitor:

"Throngs of Iraqis were busily shopping for the weekend when a truck bomb and barrage of rockets ripped apart the market in central Karrada.

Iraqiya television and most Western media outlets reported that 25 were killed and 100 wounded in the July 26 attack, of which virtually no images were shown.

But less than a week later, the names of 92 dead and 127 wounded were posted on a list taped to a shuttered storefront. It was compiled by municipal and civil defense crews that led the rescue efforts.
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One Iraqi official confirmed that the government and the Ministries of Defense and Interior regularly "underreport" deadly acts of violence despite having all the data.
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The government has nonetheless taken several steps in recent months to control how acts of violence are reported.

In May, it barred photojournalists and TV crews from bomb scenes. Earlier, it prohibited hospitals and the Ministry of Health from sharing any toll figures with the media. The government has, on several occasions, publicly chastised the United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq and nongovernmental organizations for using tolls compiled by media in their reports."

Source: http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0803/p07s02-woiq.html?page=1

So, it appears that the "loony left" must include the government of Iraq, the Associated Press, McClatchy Newspapers, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, the Iraq Study Group, the National Security Network, and the Christian Science Monitor. Gee, the loony left is getting bigger and bigger all the time. ;-)

So, would you care to retract your statement about my thoughts here being on the fringe of lunacy?

james

The University system in the United States has already established that it is more than willing to limit and even repress speech on its campuses. A few examples: Unequal application of campus speech codes (the codes them selves are often unconstitutional University of Tennessee), attempting to expel a student for posting an ethnically insensitive flyer (Cal Polly), forcing the organizers of a peaceful Jewish student protest to apologize for the violence committed by the Palestinian students’ counter protest (University of San Francisco).

Frederick Hamilton

Eras, this today from Breitbart news source, thought you might like to know:

US military losses in Iraq for September stood at 70 on Sunday, the lowest monthly figure since July last year, according to an AFP tally based on Pentagon figures.
The figure also marks the fourth consecutive drop in the monthly death toll following a high of 121 in May. June saw 93 deaths, July 82 and August 79. The monthly toll in July 2006 was 53.

Two US soldiers were killed on Saturday in separate incidents, pushing the overall toll of American losses since the March 2003 invasion to 3,801.

A surge in US troop numbers saw an extra 28,500 personnel deployed from mid-February, mainly in Baghdad and the neighbouring province of Anbar, although commanders said most were not in combat positions until May.

US commanders say the strategy is starting to work and that levels of violence are dropping, allowing for a possible drawdown of the 160,000 or so troops now deployed.

"The trend is certainly in the right direction," US military spokesman Rear Admiral Mark Fox told a press conference in Baghdad.

"The surge unquestionably is what has been the catalyst that has created the opportunity to have more forces operating in more places at the same time and to deny Al-Qaeda and the extremists safe-haven and to take away sanctuaries."

The highest monthly toll was 137 in November 2004 when a US-led force stormed the insurgent bastion of Fallujah in fierce house-to-house fighting. Of the 137 dead, 126 were killed in action.

In April 2004, the second deadliest month since the invasion for US military personnel, 135 troops died. The month marked a turning point in the war with uprisings in Fallujah in the predominantly Sunni west, and in Shiite cities south of Baghdad."

Or as the Op-Ed piece in the NY Times titled by the two Brookings analysts: "A War we Might Win".

And of course we won't win if the Democrats have their way.


Erasmussimo

Mr. Hamilton, you are changing the subject. You called me a reprobate, despicable, loony, and a liar for asserting that Mr. Petraeu's statements are not accurate. I provided an enormous amount of evidence to support my claim. I then asked if you cared to retract your accusations. You have not answered my question. Please do so.

Frederick Hamilton

Eras,
Anyone who calls General Petraeus a liar is all of the above. You want to change your tune about General Petraeus being a liar and I'll retract my characterazations of you. I believe General Petraeus is due the respect you say you are due. Those that don't support the war in Iraq can present respectful arguments. You and MoveOn.org don't believe in that approach. You get the response that disrespect generates. Sorry.

As far as changing the subject, you were claiming the casualty numbers are being cooked and it is a fact that the September American military fatalities are the lowest since July 2006. Of the 62, 41 were combat related and 21 were accidental and non combat related. Are those lies also?

Erasmussimo

Mr. Hamilton, I confine my conversations to gentleman (and gentlewomen). I am therefore blacklisting you.

Frederick Hamilton

Eras,
Whatever. I guess it's good LAK didn't go after you or my remarks would pale in comparison. But so be it. Again, I think it is General Petraeus who deserves not to be called a liar. Ergo I'll wear your "blacklist" of me with pride in defending the commander of our troops in the field. I think I'll have the tropps admiration also in defending their leader.

Peace

Jack Whorton

Thank you!

Steve

Columbia University claims they are America’s best and brightest?

Did you see the way they applauded Ahmadenijad?

They are just a bunch of filthy Little Eichmanns.

Too bad that Cho Seung-hui didn’t go to Columbia University!

lam

libel: a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1) : a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2) : defamation of a person by written or representational means (3) : the publication of blasphemous, treasonable, seditious, or obscene writings or pictures (4) : the act, tort, or crime of publishing such a libel

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