I write not only to present a case study in the threat to democracy from religious tension, not only to engage Americans in an informed dialogue about India, but also to defuse the inaccurate and unhelpful assumption that Islam is a global monolith bent on violence. When people talk of the “clash of civilizations,” or opine that Islam is not compatible with democracy, I find that (quite apart from their omission of Turkey and Lebanon) they typically know little about South Asia. (“South Asia” is the term usually used to refer to India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, and sometimes Indonesia and Malaysia; it is distinct from “Southeast Asia,” the term that refers to Myanmar, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, etc. One sign of this general ignorance: My c.v. mentions that I am a member of my university’s Committee on Southern Asian Studies. When I am introduced for lectures, it is very common that the introducer changes this to “Southeast Asian Studies,” as if it was always fine to substitute a familiar term for an unfamiliar one.) Few know, for example, that Bangladesh is a thriving, if poor, Muslim-majority democracy (about 85% Muslim), with democratic self-government, two energetic women who lead the two major parties, a strongly pro-woman official policy, and a constitution that protects fundamental rights very strongly, similar to India’s constitution. Its national anthem, “Amar Sonar Bangla” (“My Golden Bengal”) is a song written by Hindu Indian poet Rabindranath Tagore. As Amartya Sen says, “This must be very confusing to those who see the contemporary world as a ‘clash of civilizations’ – with ‘the Muslim civilization,’ ‘the Hindu civilization,’ and ‘the Western civilization,’ each forcefully confronting the others.” (Amartya Sen, “Tagore and His India,” The New York Review of Books June 26, 1997, 55-63.)
Few know that the Muslims of Bangladesh and the 12% or so of India’s citizens who are Muslims have virtually no ties to international Islamic radicalism or to terrorist organizations, relatively few political or organizational ties even to Pakistan. (The struggle over Kashmir is an exception, but it is not related to the events that are my focus.) India is the third largest Muslim country n the world, with more Muslims than Bangladesh and nearly as many as Pakistan. Muslims in India are by and large a hard-working impoverished minority, who have lived alongside Hindus for centuries and who today strongly support and participate in democratic self-governance at all levels. A recent study has also shown that they strongly support education for girls (more strongly on the whole than the Hindu population). (Zoya Hasan and Ritu Menon, Unequal Citizens: Muslim Women in India (Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2004)). Islamic fundamentalism has no grip in India, despite discrimination and even persecution; it is to be hoped that, despite events like Gujarat, this good record will continue. The wise decision to include Muslims in prominent positions in the new government is a hopeful sign for the future. (For example, Muslim feminist Syeda Hameed, whose organization first took down testimony of women raped in Gujarat, currently holds a seat on the Planning Commission; Muslim political scientist Zoya Hasan has been put in charge of the rewriting of school textbooks to remove errors introduced by Hindu extremists eager to portray all of India’s suffering as caused by Muslims.)
In the case of India, the threat to democracy comes not at all from Muslims, or any “clash” between European and non-European civilizations, but from something much more sadly familiar: from a romantic European conception of nationalism, based on ideas of blood, soil, purity, and the Volksgeist. The founders of the Hindu right in the 1920’s and 1930’s were enamored of European romantic models of nationhood. They greatly admired the early fascist versions of these ideas that they found in both Italy and Germany. They made these ideas popular in India, and worked hard to make them take root, through highly effective grassroots organization prominently featuring programs for young boys. Their ideas were appealing in India for some of the same reasons they were so appealing in Germany in the 1920’s and 1930’s: because people who see themselves as having been humiliated and emasculated by conquest easily turn to thoughts of purity and a cleansing by violence to wipe away the stain. Hindus in India have internalized a historical narrative according to which they are a pure and peaceful civilization who have been conquered again and again: in the Middle Ages by Muslim invaders, in recent times by the British.
This narrative is simple, but it certainly contains some truth. The painful experience of colonial subjugation, together with the racism that accompanied it, left many Hindus in India vulnerable to a simplification of truth and to the refuge offered by romantic/fascist European ideas of blood and purity. Instead of looking at a “clash of civilizations” here, Europeans and Americans, looking at India, should see the reflected face of their own ugly history, made the more malign by the anger that accompanies the repudiation of longstanding colonial domination. The appeal of these ideas was enhanced by the failure of liberal/pluralist leaders, after the deaths of Tagore and Gandhi, to mount an effective program of grassroots mobilization that would link the intense emotions of religion and patriotism to a program of cooperation and mutual respect.
A further reason for writing these posts and my book, then, is to argue for the need for more complicated and individualized models of religious violence. When we are dealing with a complex and variegated world, simplistic thesis such as the “clash of civilizations” idea are not at all helpful. What we call “Western civilization” contains many incompatible ingredients, as we easily see if we survey the history of the twentieth century, with its aspiration to universal human rights and its descent into horrific cruelty. (When asked by a British journalist what he thought of “Western civilization,” Gandhi said, “I think it would be a very good idea.”) Even the normative ideas embedded in “Western civilization” are highly heterogeneous; they include liberalism, fascism, Marxism, various different religious conceptions, and many others.
The category “non-Western” is still less helpful; I am inclined to think it an utterly useless category. The nations of Asia and Africa have little in common with one another as a group. They do not share a common history or common political, philosophical, or religious values. All, moreover, are internally heterogeneous, containing religious plurality and other struggles, for example struggles for women’s equality or the equality of other marginalized groups. To the extent that some religions appear in various parts of Asia and Africa, these diffused religions (Christianity, Buddhism, Islam) also turn up in the “West”, as, of course, do the Western ideas of Marxism, which have had enormous influence on the history of Asia and Africa. Speaking in terms of “West” and “non-West” often leads to crude errors: we forget that modern mathematics, which played a key role in the European Enlightenment, had its origins in Arab culture; we forget that Christianity had its origins in a part of the world that nowadays is treated as “non-Western.” We forget that the roots of ideas of human equality, democracy, and human rights existed in many different cultures and that their full development in “our own” is a very recent matter. We forget that ideas of religious toleration and equal respect were well known in India by the time of Ashoka’s empire, in the second century B. C., a very long time before they were known in Europe. (Ashoka, a convert to Buddhism from Hinduism, wrote eloquently of the important of respect between the different religions; he said that by denigrating another person’s religion a person degrades his own.)
Thinking in terms of a “clash of civilizations” also leads us to ignore the interpenetration and mutual influence among cultures that has been a fact of human life throughout history, wherever human beings encounter one another. We give ourselves credit for ideas of human rights and human equality, ignoring the fact that Martin Luther King, Jr., deliberately modeled the civil rights movement on Gandhi’s ideas. (Gandhi, in turn, he tells us, profited from the influences of Ruskin and Tolstoy.) We think of progressive education as a native American plant, forgetting that John Dewey’s experiments in progressive education were in conversation with the reforms of Friedrich Froebel in Germany (the founder of the “kindergarten”) and the more comprehensive reforms of Tagore in India.
In talking about India it is not enough to avoid the misleading West/non-West dichotomy. It is also important not to employ a simple model of a single “civilization”, ignoring both internal diversity and cultural borrowing. There is probably no nation more internally diverse than India: seventeen official languages, over three hundred languages that are actually spoken, major religious groups including Hindus (with many different regional cults), Muslims, Christians (Protestant and Catholic, and each of these stemming from several different European origins), Parsis, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, a small number of Jews. Regional differences are immense; some regions, especially in the South, had for centuries more interaction with other parts of South and Southeast Asia (and with Europe) than with the rest of what is now called India.
It is also futile, and usually not terribly important, to separate the British elements of “Indian culture” from the rest of what is Indian. By now India has creatively appropriated the colonial culture and intertwined it with its own traditions. Indian English is different from British and American English – still fully intelligible, but a distinct dialect. It would make no sense at this point (although elements of the Hindu right disagree) to displace English on the grounds of its colonial origin. It is a lingua franca in a nation of linguistic and cultural differences, and Indian English is a wonderfully rich, supple, and expressive literary, legal, and political language. Nobody could read an Indian novel in English, or an Indian Supreme Court opinion, and deny that Indians have made this instrument their own in ways that give reason for pride, not shame and repudiation. The British were appalling tyrants, exploiters, and racists. But their culture is now part of Indian culture for better or for worse – and often for better on both sides, in the sense that independent India has greatly improved many of the elements (legal, literary, and artistic) that it has borrowed.
The unscrupulous tirade continues...
Claiming Kashmir as an exception for terrorism is like saying 9/11 attack is an exception in West...
In any case, I was hoping someone would respond to some my very specific queries...
http://uchicagolaw.typepad.com/faculty/2005/10/india_a_democra.html#comment-10679185
Posted by: Jayant Bhandarkar | October 31, 2005 at 10:09 AM
those pesky hindu fundamentalists are at again:
http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20051031-051950-3000r
Posted by: anon | October 31, 2005 at 11:03 AM
"A further reason for writing these posts and my book, then, is to argue for the need for more complicated and individualized models of religious violence. When we are dealing with a complex and variegated world, simplistic thesis such as the “clash of civilizations” idea are not at all helpful."
yet blaming the monolithic hindu right for the precarious state of indian democracy is permissible?
Posted by: anon | October 31, 2005 at 01:43 PM
Prof. Nussbaum is correct in her assertion that Muslims in India are a peaceful, hard-working community, and participate fully in the country's vibrant democratic process. It strikes me as particularly unfortunate that she is incapable of making this point without including subtle barbs such as "despite discrimination and even persecution..." In India, more than in any other pluralistic country, minority institutions and freedoms are jealously guarded. Educational institutions, for instance, enjoy a vastly preferential status if they are affiliated with a religious or social minority. Inevitably, there has been a backlash against preferential treatment given to minorities. It is easy to make a theoretical argument about the need to give such groups additional protection. An analysis of Indian constitutional law, however, provides ample evidence of "affirmative action" gone overboard. This is not a justification for violence - fundamentalist violence must be condemned across the board. However, to paint the Hindu majority as being entirely responsible for India's problems, as Prof. Nussbaum seems inclined to do, is patently unfair. People in democracies peacefully press for their own rights to be represented. The majority of the Hindu right seeks to do just this. In the process, if they seek to unwind some of the special protections, so be it.
One example is the issue of a common code of civil law in India. At present, there are disparities in the laws applicable to Muslims and to other groups. Muslims, for instance, are free to commit bigamy, and Islamic law allows men to divorce their wives with little or no justification. Providing one sided evidence of Muslims seeking to educate their daughters is disingenuous in the face of the huge Muslim opposition to amending discriminatory laws. A major demand of the right wing in India is to create a unified civil code which will apply to all groups.
Furthermore, this post attempts to separate the issue of Kashmir from the rest of the debate over secularism in India. Such an attempt is doomed to failure, since the issues of Kashmir and relations with Pakistan are fundamental to Indians' sense of religious freedom. Pakistan was founded on a purely religious plank, and thus must derive its justification for existence from a purported fundamentalist environment in India. The fact that Muslims can live in India peacefully is simultaneously a blow to Pakistan's raison d'etre, and a repudiation of its claim to Kashmir on religious grounds. Little wonder, then, that Kashmir is a crucial battleground for Islamic fundamentalists. It is in Kashmir that the fate of South Asian secularism may well be decided.
Posted by: anon | November 02, 2005 at 03:25 PM
Oh, and a slightly delayed criticism of it: US Academic thinks Indian Democracy is in Danger -
http://www.indiblog.com/74/us-academic-thinks-indian-democracy-is-in-danger/
Posted by: Sooraj | November 04, 2005 at 04:54 AM
This post demonstrates an unfamiliarity with recent events in Bangladesh; several statements made here are plainly incorrect (e.g. that the citizens of Bangladesh have no ties to international Islamic terrorism). See for example this article in today's Sunday Times,
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1869575,00.html
for some background on Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism in Bangladesh.
Posted by: alex | November 13, 2005 at 01:52 PM
The author seems to have no idea about India. language and traditional practices of north and south are distinct but say that Southern India had more interaction with Europe than northern part is more of an invention than academic discovery.
as for persecution of muslims, it is more of a myth then a reality.Most of the indian are still secular and hardly have any agenda for muslims. Though some discrimination exists, but it always existed between different communities.
and talking about Gujarat riots, people forget that it happened because of ORGANISED MASSACRE of HINDU pilgrims in a train.
well, bangladesh has its own list of islamic fundamentalist parties that have links wiht taliban/al quaeda networks of pakistan. they actively encourage land grabbing of indian border towns and spreading jihadi links.This has also hardline approach by Hindu organisations.
But, calling all such events a precusor to collapse of democracy in India sounds like a dream of a Pakistani!!!
Posted by: Nishant | February 21, 2006 at 04:47 AM
its all really very easy, all the minorities that are alien to a hindu way of life in a hindu country and are constantly moaning about the short end of the stick, fuck off!
Posted by: Syd | July 12, 2006 at 05:50 AM
sir,
We the muslims of india are thankful to u for not portraying us as terrorists.as the global scenario is going against muslims we feel lucky to be in a country which gives us freedom of speech and equal rights in all respects.gujrat riots were a very bad phase in the phase of our otherwise glorious history.Now we have a more secular government at the centre and they are probing the whole matter.
Justice nanavati commission has given its judgement aginst the gujarat government lead by BJP.
Its a different aspect that how far action has been taken against them.hope the scenario would change soon.
Posted by: maria tabassum | August 22, 2006 at 01:00 AM
Dear Prof. Nussbaum
I think that you have beautifully brought forth the reasons for the rise of hindu fundamentalism and the
fascist ideology of the hindu right i.e. the RSS, Shiv Sena and the VHP portraying hindus as peace loving people who have been subjugated by these oh-so-awful muslims and have forgotten their true nature, which is epitomized by the Kings of medieval India who fought for the Hindu Rashtra(nation).
In fact I would like to say that Anon's post talks about the very same issues and gives the very same arguments that the Hindu right gives. Other arguments includes the subsidy given for Haj, Article 370 of the Indian Constitution(who contrary to popular belief has taken away any power from the
J&K Assembly and has given them to Central Executive and also includes other ways and means in which muslims of India are "appeased".
However, despite all this why don't the hindu fundamentalists explain the reason why more muslims have been killed in every riot in this country than the hindus in the last 30 years or why do a majority of muslims in India still remain a politically, educationally and socially and under privileged community barring the exception of a handful who come from the aristocracy and own big businesses.
Probably the intention of the hindu fundamentalist s is to invoke a sense of fear and insecurity in the minds of middle class hindu's like me. And they have succeeded in a way.....Modi's victory in this election is a clear cut example of this.
Posted by: Arjun Sheoran, NLSIU, Bangalore, India | January 11, 2008 at 08:12 AM
You mention that Indian Christianity is of different European origin, and Catholic/Protestant. That leaves out a significant community of traditional southern "Malabar Christians" (Nasrani) of Middle-Eastern origin concentrated in Kerala.
Posted by: Matt | February 13, 2008 at 08:03 AM